1. ronica blake. Panthers has not too much problems in their brs. Walter Dorn. Only switch to the 3rd auto gear if going down hills and on flat roads. The M18's like any vehicle that doesn't get shot. Grant was buried on 4 December 1995 at the cemetery opposite his mansion, with the funeral service held at St Peter and St Paul's Church, Hailsham, East Sussex. Join the Discord Here: https://discord.gg/cgctjTR5hjHope you all enjoy this video/short from an interesting moment in-game! So saying it does bad thing in a downtier goes whichever way you draw it. Or a Jagdtiger? As for the Bf 110G, it is superb--it's only fault is that it's ranked as a Tier II rather than a Tier III. Has 7.1 second reload (slower than 6.7s of the 105 L7 guns), -6 gun depression, and only 17.3 deg/sec traverse, so it doesn't fit gun handling meta. The tracks make it immune to long 88 and actually work as spaced armor against HEAT. Also, you're very wrong about Tiger syndrome. Terrible survivability (carousel and 3 crew). Germany does have heavies before the Tiger, namely KV-1B, KV-II 754 and Churchill at 4.0 and KV-1C at 4.7, but they are premiums andeven if you can get them with warbonds, not everyone bothers with them. Japan's OP type 90 has been given an equal. Isn't it a bit dishonest to completely "forget" to bring out the more negative aspects of the panther? Theres was no reason to add them for almost every US tanks in War Thunder. 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. MidCii; Jul . The T-72 is mediocre in forward mobility, and has a painful -4kph reverse. This is a battle of patience and cunning. Neither Soviets, Brits nor Ger vehicles have them, beside some prems or some advanced sub-types. And the Tiger 2s consistently bounce shells they are by no means slouches and have a thicker hull than the T series which will say no to most rounds that fly at it outside of apds which can be angled to avoid for the most part and or heat. Germany is being denied their AA roof mounted guns because "They would make no difference". Thus then other nations get the impression that Germany is both OP, but still their players while about wanting better tanks. This pretty much says it all, and it describesa fundamental problem with ground RB: the fastesttanks with decent firepowerare the only vehicles in WT that can set up ambushes early game (which helps setting up ambushes mid and late game as well); slower TDs and tanks can't fulfill this role in WT even if they were designed specifically for this purpose and fulfilled it very successfully irl; the brawling maps which drastically cut down the range of engagementscombined with the "early game race" effectively prevents this. And Germany has long 88s also at 5.7. In a standard WT match, do I try to command people using the chat to go to certain positions which they won't do? Don't know maybe deserve a new play again. Just because there would be more open maps doesn't mean we can't have CQC maps. And T are not impenetrable unless you're downtiered and there are spots you can go througg although theybare easily covered up. I'd certainly replace the Hs 129B-2/MK 103 if the Bf 110G was a Tier III vehicle. He will retreat and find a way around you. Of course the thick armor and good gun can be an advantage. NO 4.3 FRENCH TANKS? I've said that I'm looking at things that are perceived as suffering but aren't in the interest of finding and isolating the true examples for sake of fixing these things. I will never understand whats inside Gaijin dev team, but they should add a German Mig 29, instead of waiting until russia gets a better plane first, as always. I like Abandoned Factory, I think Middle East is trash. That jump is massive and not only deprives the player of the relevant experience they'd get in that 2.3 BRs of progression but also of the lineup for support they'd have if they had the stuff from the BRs in between, As with other nations, one death leavers are a problem for Germany. You can go through things but often times you die. I never said the hull was bad on the t series i have stated that as long as you don't hit the tracks you pen and the other thread we are in has showed that. Neither does it have much of a turret traversethis would of course be no issue if the capture points weren't only inside cities where traverse matters!). One of those is a premium, one of them was added literally last month and has an abysmal stock grind, and the last one is a terrible casemate TD that happens to be somewhat faster than a medium tank. Sohow exactly do I do that? Only part of Germany that suffers is really top tier air. But yes, if manage to get in a flanking spot undetected you can flank with it. Are there plans to restructure the the air br system or decomress the br. The fast-paced and valiant opener marks a strong, excessive statement right at the beginning, because every detail fascinates: the riffing, the solos, the chorus, pick out whatever you want. The rest including pz iv and pz 3 is pretty balanced in my opinion. They still exist just can't be unlocked by new players anymore. Unfornatly the 105mm Tiger II was phased out. Incorrect in so many levels. Panther 2s didnt disappear. Thats why it is so extremely annoying when you have to shoot the turret. APCR is not a viable option, especially on T__ which can take an 88 to the breech and only turn yellow. It kind of creates this all-or-nothing theme, which is kind of sad if we're trying to have a serious discussion here. Germany continues to suffer in War Thunder! Apds isn't guaranteed damage actually put rounds through things and have done no damage on many occasions. APDS is guaranteed damage, just aim for specific crew one at a time or shoot for modules. More to the point, your initial comment is THE biggest disconnect from reality that I've read in LONG time. At 6.7 the US T series are much more survivable when it comes to being hit. Of course the thick armor and good gun can be an advantage. He can cap first and when wait till in an ambush till you start to decap. FW 190's can go for air targets and ordnance is sufficient to bomb a tank and strafe lights. (If you can tell us, ofc I understand you might not be able to.) You don't exactly want to pull a pivot turn when in city combat, with it's horrible side armor. And here comes the issue with uptiers. Falcon is especially broken as it handles like a light tank with 110mm of pen a super rapid fire rate. Because its slow and big? the Jumboturret. Last time I played my king tiger I shot the T34s barrel as that was the only spot I knew I could reliably disarm him, then he just took out my barrel with .50s and I got killed by one of his teammates. Tried to flank with the Tortoise? A T34 hull down has 200-300mm of frontal protection, 150mm-200mm of side protection, and 200mm of rear protection. It's as hard to shoot a the turret of a tiger 2 as it is to shoot a T series turret. Call me when it has the bombs and rockets just like the allies. On the contrary, the mixture of traits that German vehicles get is often favorable. But only at long range. Which is why its more rewarding when they pull it off as they had to put more effort into making it work and that's what people need nowadays a challenge. Despite the complaints about Germany's WRs, they're not bad really. All of these things are important, with at least one being exceptional for a vehicle to be any good generally. If you spot him first and don't manage to kill him with the first spot you are dead even if he can't pen you from the front. while proclaiming yourself in some sort of 'neutral good' position. Or this amazing times when you play the tractor simulator trying to get you slow vehicle to this surprising spot which takes you forever, and hoping that noone shoots or bombs you on the way there. Not possible. It bounces off and does little or no damage when pens. (Oh how many times I have shot the IS6 turret from 400m and all I did was turn the gunner yellow) Plus they have things like T44 which are very bouncy to the 88. What about T95? Powered by Invision Community, Addressing Germany's real problems: finding the truth behind "Germany suffers!". Getting ahead is stupidly hard. so german jets are not useless compared to their opponents? The problem here is that Japan doesn't have a lot of players and thus meeting japanese aircraft is pretty rare in RB. Sidenote: chuckling at all the silly "confused" reactions haters are giving. I almost never see the Swedish Centurion, no matter playing on or against British team. Vehicles,
And i find that the 88 one shots the T series rather easily now through the turret. I would just shoot breech, then driver/engine, and then if whatever I was shooting was still alive I would just wittle down it's last crew with the excellent reload and lolpen APDS. On 13/02/2020 at 09:16, watch_your_fire said: On 13/02/2020 at 00:46, AnimeThighs said: On 13/02/2020 at 10:33, WilderHans said: On 15/02/2020 at 09:37, Inflatable_CampR said: Addressing Germany's real problems: finding the truth behind "Germany suffers! Not to mention Algy's unclean, raw and charismatic voice. I am sure that these questions are on many peoples' minds and you are asked at least some of these questions often. The Tiger I is hard to play and inferior to the Panther! Aside from the pre-nerf Horton flying wing, Germany really hasn't had a plane that could both match allied CAS's ability to make multiple strikes against hard targets and simultaneously hold its own in securing the airspace. Germany suffers (and others too), balance, br, tanks, jets, etc. Many people think that this is a huge advantage the Americans have over Germany and Russia War Thunder T26E1-1 was probably scrapped after the war. Centurions have a 2-plane stabilizer that for some reason acts like it's from 2020, which lets you use hard cover or play behind a hill, only popping your turret out briefly to take easy shots. If anything i insist you grind out to the T34 play about 100 games you'll tend to find that the two are rather close to compare. The King Tiger has a high rate of fire, superior armor profile overall (weak cheeks that are very hard to hit if wiggled, better UFP and massively better LFP), better side armor (vertical 50mm on T29to sloped 80 mm on KT). Despite the complaints about Germany's WRs, they're not bad really. Eh, the significance of this is overstated. And it is this knowledge that will the panther driver often stop from advancing beyond certain points on the map, because he thinks: " There is probably a M18 on the enemy team and based on my experience and knowledge of the map I know that beyong this point there is a high chance that the M18 is somewhere on the edge of the map behind a hill and is waiting till I leave my cover. Absolutely you're right on that point, but let's turn the tables here for some perspective. Turret armor>>>hull armor for a number of reasons. Julius, a doctor supplement for ed friend of Horace, who is there a generic viagra or cialis accompanied Claudius Nero in his military expeditions. No, it really isn't. 7. 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. Thread seems to highlight points some might see as a way to improve gameplay. It should be 6.7 or 7.0 at best. With a fast tank it is easier to get to places and to take advantageous positions. The T29 has a better gun and marginally better mobility, as well as better mantlet armor. Objectives are death traps usually placed in a way that does favour German CATs, but you know that quite well. And here comes the issue with uptiers. How do you bounce on a flat piece of armour? This is especially visible while on 6.7 when vehicles of the same tier can lol pen Tiger II upf. This by the way also the reason why you quite often see the SDKFZ 234, a BR 2,7 vehicle, in 6.7 matches. T-80U only fixes armor (although weakspots veeerrry preminent), slightly better HP/T (still -10 kph reverse though), and a slightly better reload (6.5s but still slightly slower than other 120mms). I'd recommend not making part of the argument then to begin with, The argument is that a more mobile tank has the better "tools", traits call it however you want to exploit this knowledge. Which means all you need to do is spot him first, then he's basically done for. But to the long 88 you can kill them rather easily. warrior412, February 10, 2020 in General & Upcoming, Germany has a p-47 just like the allies? germany 5.3-6.3 problem its the same as soviet mbts 8.7-10.3 problem. Apds still has a low damage output. - If its not, he will hide and wait till you cap. If your going to pull the hvars are the best thing out their it shows how little you know. If they're not interested in moving the follow up question should be why they don't when in German vehicles. If by any standards the Panther is far more stable due to its suspension, what does that make the Sherman series, especially in a CQC situation where the medium low speeds are to its' advantage? Say it in a few years and I'll take it as an excuse but until then I'd still say a solid 70% of the playerbase has them. I think that is what contributes in combination with what you mentioned for the low WR of Germans at the 5.7-6.7 BR range. I don't think the hull of the king tiger is worse, it's obviously better, I'm just saying it's not better by a huge margin. Slow vehicle that suddenly appears. No matter how well you argue or what evidence you cite, you will inevitably be attacked by the people who cling to beliefs of German victimhood if you speak out against it--the believers dont want to hear dissent--just know about that. It is a medium tank like the Panther II or T-44-100. Most guns can penetrate it from the front. they're glass cannons. 3 . More like genre savvy actuallyI know the score. Noone does the same with panthers. The ATGMs aren't common place but considering germany doesn't get SS.11s until 7.7 it does show the extreme technology advantage the brits have. And I've had 90mm HEAT non-pen on the tracks of a T34. The most obvious example of this is that a player can jump directly from the Panzer IIIs at 3.0 to the Tiger H1 at 5.3. (well until last update and the introduction of M41). 1. If you spot him first and don't manage to kill him with the first spot you are dead even if he can't pen you from the front. While German vehicles cannot quite match others vehicles in a drag race, this does not mean German vehicles are bad. An Panther however loses his main advantage of better armor. There are many, many more ways in which Germany is claimed to suffer--these are just a few that I chose to address for this first post. 1. jagdtiger having stupidly high Br at 7.3 arcade. But it will go as well as it would if American tanks went up to 6.7. 2. is getting boosted taking them out requires specific loadouts and concentration, which makes the CAS player very susceptible for enemy fighters, this is further exacerbated by the poor balance among the nations at different br.s. Just check the loadout on allied planes. This by the way also the reason why you quite often see the SDKFZ 234, a BR 2,7 vehicle, in 6.7 matches. Does Germany suffer and from what? Last thing is that Centurions have a lower top speed than king tigers but have much better acceleration and reactionary mobility, and the ability to fire on the move means they have overall greater effective mobility on the battlefield. I've been playing the Su-100P lately (pretty underrated, but could still use a lower BR to match the regular Su-100) and it baffles me how many pumas I am seeing from 5.7-7.7. If you turn it to the side you just shoot the huge side of the turret. Step forward progressively, oh how I haven't seen that argument before. You have to be reactive rather than proactive and take advantage of mistakes made by allied players. You can pen various parts of the of them and can with apcr. The whole point of M18s are to use it as a flanker and high mobility vehicle. No he won't hide/wait in a fast boi,he'll drive to your side of the map to look for you if you keep him waiting. When I played my 6.0s, uptiers to 6.3 and 6.7 were common but things worked out well. Ammo rack closest in the hull so you'd just one bang it. Clearly you haven't seen Gaijin's big maps from afar before. AMX-13 GETS UPTIERED 6.7? Easier to spot in open terrain and gives you enough time for an aimed shot? I'm talking about the teams steamsad Penetration analysis is bugged with AP and APDS. I am losing a little over half my team (if my team is made up of mainly germans, which it generally is, otherwise about a quarter leave) before the 3 minute . Side turret is 150mm or higher so angling is really easy as well. When you do see them, they won't make up 100% of the team composition and they won't even make up 100% of the UK composition since there is a chance for there to be Charioteers and Cent Mk 1s to be thrown into the mix. Hardly an advantage. Come on, seriously? All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. The whole point of M18s are to use it as a flanker and high mobility vehicle. They can both all go through the Centurion mantlet with ease. As someone who has played all nations, I have had the opportunity to play with and against German tanks. There is big IF in virtually every of your arguments. I've whacked Leopards with my SU-5-1 but didn't have much to do with the vehicles. I have said quite the opposite honestly. ..and I'm not talking about the vehicles, they're OK-ish. Really? Now the GER 6.7 lineup is missing a proper medium to counter some of the russian meds. It would actually give Germany some nice, War Thunder map friendly brawling options, like T-34's, IS-2's, T-54's, as well as some lower BR MBT's with decent armour, like T-55's, T-72's etc. The Panther, by contrast, is reasonably quick for a medium tank, retains decent armor and is vastly better armed. I just read this post and simply had to react because you draw all the wrong conclusions. It's just that the slow/tall/heavy tanks are usually on the bad end with the current level design. Allied CAS i superior. With a fast tank it is easier to get to places and to take advantageous positions. Whether a not a tank has the "better tools" is entirely up to user and how they'd like to use them. Spitfires can see the issue. Relative merit is in play here. panzer ii ausf l luchs mit bildern panzer panzer ii. However it does not. That ammo should not be stock! And in realistic they are mainly on maps with japan fighting on one side. Because heat rounds don't care about armor. Doesn't fit good mobility meta. Are there no third positions or one that is at least more pragmatic? This is a major drawback and makes this tank so special. According to the complaint, proof of German suffering is had in German win rates--which are often lower than their Allied peers WRs. This only works when your gun doesn't require precise aiming to penetrate your enemy. Come on, you know that your arguments is purely theoretical and doesn't work on most WT maps. Other options like FW's with 1000kg bomb drops are just too bad in a fighter role, as well as the Me 262 Pulkzerstrer. Sometimes it works. - Panther is a medium tank and cheaper to spawn. And no I wasn't talking about the swingfire I mean the 7.7 german raketenjagdpanzer 2 literally fires the same missiles as the STRV.81 (which also has a gun) and yet sits a whole BR higher for some reason. Removing the Panther II made sense if the game was aiming for historical accuracy. It's scary and you die whichever you run into. The most frustrating thing about these engagements is how random it feels to play against a T__. Is a panther really a good vehicle for flanking? Actually you describe yourself what the effect of better mobility is at the end of your post. Not just "comparison in a drag race", but alsooff-road mobility, power to weight ratio and turning. Just an endemic lack of knowledge of what assets are available to the Germans, 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. Plus there are only few maps thatfavor this strategy. Tell me what 6.7 what tanks have penetrating the side of the T series. Depends on the BR really. Same procedure as with Panthers. In a 1 on 1 I would just throw a dice and pick one possible option hoping that he will appear there? The turret armor isn't much. I've whacked Leopards with my SU-5-1 but didn't have much to do with the vehicles. Let me repeat that. Useful on certain maps. Many German players will often hang back and camp (which can be good, if done in moderation--Germany gets above average exchange rates this way) but critically, problems arise when these players never do move up. Up until only pz 2 is miserable a bit compare to m3 or bt7 etc. I think a topic you missed is also CAS. Mobility is the aspect that most German vehicles are less focused on than their peers, but this is made up for by the Germans better firepower/armor than their peers. He can get to cap first and setup an ambush. Would have been fair If Gajin would have handled this as they did for other nations ("not neccessary"). Are there plans to finally separate ww2 (and pre-ww2) vehicles from post ww2 (like vehicles made. Russians are a mixed bag but to Kill an IS6 or IS3 is usually a combination of skill and luck as they are mostly immune to the long 88. As someone who has played all nations, I have had the opportunity to play with and against German tanks. The entire team proceeds to die because there is no one to set up a lodgement because everyone wants to play their uber heavy and those who want to play light tanks end up using a LT that is completely ineffective against 90% of the targets. The majority of the 7.92 German ammunition types go seemingly unused in the game, especially all the high velocity variants of the bullets. interactions? they turn by applying breaks to one track to initiate the turn. They usually tend to be just as useless as those M22s too. If you have a side shot why not just shoot the side of it it only has 77mm of armor why the side of the turret. for example to prove what i said u can see that with panther A br reduce to 5.7 germany teams improved a lot, because panthers have much better gun handling than tigers. As far as I know, nothing about that have been mentioned since it was "being worked on" back in 2017. Like this moments when the T95 suddenly reaches the cap point 10 seconds before the match ends. And yes theoretically the bigger and slower tank could try the same tactic, just that it would take him much longer to react, he would be easiert to spot and aim at, and you would give the enemy more time to shoot at you when you cross open terrain. Armor profile is meh also and they are abit slower than the tiger 2s surprisingly. Eh, you can get the same effect with having a slow vehicle suddenly appear where no one expects it at a particular time, it also brings a more shock and awe effect as its victims try to fathem what they are looking at and how it gotthere, thegood times to be had Oh and by the way, many people do drive BT5s and M18 on high tiers because they are freaking fast and their guns can pen flanks of more modern tanks. panzer ii german light tank sdkfz 121 world war photos. Like I said earlier I think it's important to take a step back and realize what we are talking about here isn't just a drag race but definitely more complicated than so. While German vehicles cannot quite match others vehicles in a drag race, this does not mean German vehicles are bad. And since most Panther drivers know that, they usually just camp. Powered by Invision Community. The Germany newbies will complain that their chosen tank sucks and the Germany veterans are in their meta premiums taking out entire enemy teams. - During all that time you will be sitting in your spot hoping that the enemy pops up exactly where you predict it knowing that he could also pop up behind you. Also the air tech tree actually is borderline OP too. That's a big if there, an M18 still isn't fast enough to out run a gun so its unlikely for them to survive long enough to retreat out of an ambushand flank you, heck even half of them that do make it out get blown up latertrying to flank you as they may become careless with hatred. Thats why the Germans tend to be passive. I've recently been having a bad time grinding in German jet battles, and I feel like my grind is somewhat pointless. Selling Top German/UK Tank and Plane & US Top plane with many Premium. Working at 6.3 turned out to be pleasant, as I found my way into 6.3 and 6.7 matches most of the time. I'd certainly replace the Hs 129B-2/MK 103 if the Bf 110G was a Tier III vehicle. The stock ammo for them is useless! All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. Scriptures from many world religions, science facts, safety & reminder tips, cuisine, sports, books, art, music, movies, TV. And yes theoretically the bigger and slower tank could try the same tactic, just that it would take him much longer to react, he would be easiert to spot and aim at, and you would give the enemy more time to shoot at you when you cross open terrain. T28 with 305mm of frontal armor at 6.3? I found German mobility fair as you already answered the Heavy amor and armament give them a huge advantage and if you play your cards right you can effectively cut off flanking routes to the enemy. 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. On the afternoon of 21 November 1995, Grant suffered a fatal heart attack while driving to his home at Eastbourne with his son Warren. As for the Panthers' turret traverse, except for the D variant, all are quite well suited for engagement at medium to long ranges. 'German players' are not somehomogenous group, clearly people play different nations. Top tier meta is good survivability, mobility, and gun handling, as armor doesn't matter with laser rangefinders and high velocity APFSDS along with lots of CQB maps making weakspots easily hit. Considering Im an experienced player who has done quite well in some Germany tanks that have been thoroughly derided, Id lean towards saying youre justwrong. It's obvious which has the better hull where as its obvious who has the better turret. Download Free PDF View PDF. (This topic will likely be flooded by people doing exactly this or otherwise trying to hijack the thread.). If it's perfectly fine as a comparison, then why is CQC fighting the rulewhen GJ is designing maps,while we clearly can make it a more interesting battle if every nation can face their strengths and shortcomings on the battlefield. For the record, I am always sporting a tank only line-up in ground battles, I just hate planes and helis in ground battles. Which isn't as many as the P-47 you still get access to the same 1,000 pounder and 500 pounder it gets just not at once. Not meta. According to the complaint, Germany suffers terribly under the weight of uptiers. Meanwhile, in the real world, while the Tiger II is waiting for its gun to steady to take a shot, the Centurion Mk3's stabilized gun lets it point precisely at the tiger's turret-face with swift ease. As a bad player I would say that German ground vehicles require a lot of patience to play effectively. I'm also fine with the T30 at 6.7 since it has such a long reload, but the T34 really ought to be 7.0 just because of how ridiculous it is against 5.7s in a downtier. Yeah, how is that even an argument? A dreaded sight for aircraft and ground vehicles alike, the F-4F Phantom II provides a strong air superiority fighter and supremely potent ground attacker to German pilots. Mobility is the aspect that most German vehicles are less focused on than their peers, but this is made up for by the Germans better firepower/armor than their peers. I'll give you a half point for this one as I clearly said the M18 will head to your spawn after it caps, Well if it makes you feel better stranger things have happened. LORRAINE 40T AT 7.7?? German early jets are outperformed by pretty much by everything at their br. With things as they are with just a little more zeal in pursuing the objectives, Germany would do just fine. The armor is nowhere never Tiger II H level. Mobility is simply king in this game. I don't feel I need assume such things as this is already quite relevant to my interests. The Me 410 B-6/R3 is considerably more competitive than people think. And that brings me to the issues with the economy, the game's economy is soulcrushing, now I do understand that you need people to spend money (and for what it's worth I have), but there is little to no enjoyment for the average player in the game. And the T series has a thick turret but the tiger 2 has a better hull. -ifa potential target learns the maps thisscenario can be avoided, - If the slow tank manages to guess the attack strategy of the faster tank he can setup and counter-ambush, - if there is position that overlooks the entire cap point and if you can reach it fast enough (so should be on your half of the map), - if you take your time to get to the cap point and the M18 doesn't use this time to simply cap. If you don't. Oh and by the way, many people do drive BT5s and M18 on high tiers because they are freaking fast and their guns can pen flanks of more modern tanks. While the M18 can reverse much quicker, it also lurches about far more. The personal well being of the person who capped it means little to the team if they have succeeded--that part of their reason for being is fulfilled by then. Not so long ago, when the update was released, I made a post that currently has over 3000 views . T92, T114 are the most common culprits but yes there are more. A Do335 can do a lot of damage when left alone, but stands utterly no chance of outflying a P-47. And the T30 which has a 30 second reload on a 200mm round penetration is sad to say the least and in my opinion off that its worthy if 6.3 due to that fact but thats a different discussion. It's not pleasant to head into an area that's being directly contested, but if you want to win that's how you do it. AMX-13 10k REPAIR SILVER? 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