The state government and council are together tipping in 20 per cent of the costs for the construction of a wall stretching from Collaroy to South Narrabeen after heavy surf and powerful storms . Hourly Multiple Swells Wind Highlighting Model Units ft, mph. development, carparks & roads behind the hind dunes leading to biketracks, walkways, supporting the community including Collaroy Seawall Detailed Survey for construction of a new seawall in highly sensitive erosion zone. Plenty others have discussed it. 2)How much did the Collaroy Carpark Coastal Protection works cost? There are plenty of other spots along the coast vulnerable to rising seas and more intense storms but Collaroy is one of the most difficult to address. I am working on a gipa application to try and find out what community consultation they did for the second DA. [Just like in Hawaii] Lol. We have trouble performing numerical analysis on complex near shore environments, so what we'll do is create a slab sided wave tank with perfectly geometrical structures and wave forms and see what "actually happens". In the future, the problems may well be exacerbated by the above but they did not cause it "in the first place". Both!! Good balanced post tango. Should have taken the high road. Shop unique custom made Canvas Prints, Framed Prints, Posters, Tapestries, and more. Te Puna Aonui is the joint venture of government agencies that will deliver Te Aorerekura. The seawall is protected from the direct onslaught of waves by rows of granite boulders which are reinforced every year to stop erosion. I've written about it before but the real reason here is money- it is massive pork-barreling on an unprecedented scale. The GCCC's Palm Beach Qld solution which uses an offshore reef/sand nourishment/seawall buried in the dune is the ONLY solution for coastal erosion that protects both beachfront private property and public property ie the beach, without any structures being visible on the beach. >> Quite a worrying statement to begin with. They have access to and use a large suit of software modeling tools, but unfortinately a lot of them don't have outputs that non-scientists can get their head around [just numbers which are meaningless on the surface unless you understand what they represent.] I am looking at it but there is probably someone better qualified out there. Mind you theyve only been around for a year. Newiie Harbour was pumping. that would be awesome location for JOb or other jackasses to film fun vids. This widely publicized protest was an attempt to promote a pro-democracy, civil liberty, social justice message, and to protest against corporate greed and economic inequality. I am safely 140m above sea-level now so that should be safefor a while hahaha. Indeed. Granted the Reality series and Aero are ludicrously expensive at the $2,000 barrier, but they're promising to push a more immersive, satisfying VR experience that delivers on incredible fidelity. Another week, another pumping day in the south-west of France. which is why the video is so interesting. It certainly doesn't make it the best decision though. Theyre only a couple of hundred years away from All the reaserch I did seemed to show that the headland affect and beaches just north of those headlands, i.e. Nah, buybacks don't put the properties back onto the market, they're acquired by the council at market rates and then emptied, returned to parkland and foredune, both a buffer against storm action. The lessons, it would seem, are still being learnt. And since there's been no budget allocated for future buy backs. Whe I checked the link today on the second one it went to the first DA for the sloping rock wall, not the second one for the vertical concrete wall. We took the easy way, down towards the ocean and along on the back of the dune. Also, it's a not so secret secret, anyone who speaks out about this have been known to disappear. It will still be a bargain now compared to 60 years from now if they do the same. Imagine the carnage during the next ECL. Almost certainly the latter lilas, given the problems Sydney has had with apartment blocks I would think regulation is minimal to non-existent. I suppose there are still those with more dollars than sense, but for me, the land is as good as built below the high-tide mark. Took the words out of my mouth. I dare say the neighbours are on notice too. The market knows this. Collaroy Sea Wall Client: Citilink Piling With such close proximity to the ocean, our client tasked us with producing an alternative to the commonly used polystyrene forms. Surf Breaks Inc. Coming to a beach near you ! Such a shame. Links relating to the City of Sydney, and NSW in general - please read our rules before And there's no risk. I'd imagine brendan and surfrider will have that covered. At this point, no-one can say if any consultation occurred, though the cynical view is council ticked the box by distributing flyers to the immediate neighbours, all of whom would want similar works built to protect their properties. They've had a very very blessed life compared to anyone else in this country and that in return they would do such harm to a public place to save their private property is a bit sad. Just wondering if the stairs built into the wall are private property? Basically the awarding of contracts falls across a couple of ministries. "community engagement", and my personal favourite "building resilience". what's the logic/law in having to buy back the properties ? And this is on a small, weak windswell from the south-east. Wow, that is ugly even by brutalist/modernist standards. It didn't last long and within 12 hours the sand that was built up against the near finished first wall was 2/3rds washed away. Would be really good to see an article on the current state of affairs in the Coastal engineering world. I watched a 4 corners or foreign correspondent thing last year on the Japan sea walls. July 28, 2021 - 7:04AM. Building a vertical [with over-top] wall is about as insane a design as you can get, as stated and proven by all the intelligent people on this forum. Well now we know who is responsible for this debacle. However, theres an irony that could've beenliftedstraight out of a script for Utopia. In the others, you can see a part of the wall under construction. Zen interested how Japan just keeps dropping those big Tetrapods anywhere there is coastal erosionlost a lot of surf spots..how effective do you think they actually are against erosion? They are frequently used in locations where further shore erosion will result in excessive damage, e.g. Hey guys I need to write an informative paper based on remedial measures used to protect infrastructure against erosion. nothings going to stop him on his daily dip. Here Willi. Market value is driven by what people are willing to pay for it. People need to be absolutely on top of the approval process in their local area if they want to have a hope of preventing these structures. collaroy vs long reef, have always had signifcant erosion issues. Beaches with hard structures can return, though it takes longer, and rocks and concrete in the wave zone also make for a dangerous combination. there is no excuse for purchasing a property on the beach in the last 30 years let alone 5 without an inkling of understanding of the risks. No more excuses for your terrible workmanship anymore. Will be ironic if they have to pull it down for not meeting code on the steps. I'm not entirely sure, but one of the reasons why an offshore reef structure hasn't been considered for Narrabeen may be because it's part of the Northern Sydney Protection Zone, hosting submarine cables that connect Australia to various parts of the Pacific (including Japan). https://www.acma.gov.au/zone-protect-sydney-submarine-cables, That makes sense Ben. Initial reports claim Marcio Friere wasn't wearing an inflatable vest when he was held down in large waves. It is a difficult and wicked problem. They have destroyed every built form on the beaches. So where public assets like roads are involved things get really sticky. Or as the comment above lists - quoted by Prof Short - not let the property developers and real estate industry interfere with good management strategy decades ago that would have avoided council being left with a steaming pile of shit. IT WILL NOT FUCKN WORK YA FLOGS.. 5/6 NE SWELL NOW.. a proper ECL .. will destroy it .. this frustrates me .. I liken it to a form of gambling. Like Stockton, the Collaroy seawall has resulted in the loss of the beach immediately in front of the wall caused by the dissipation of wave energy. It appears that because of the relative lack of access to PC, the equation would be out of kilter to begin with. These impacts would have been explicitly tied to that particular design option by the engineers and other specialists involved. The track became a road. It may not happen in my lifetime [fingers-crosssed] but it's a real issue when thinking about your children who eventually inherit your home. On top of this living around moruya last year the slow gently shaped dune leading into the beach was transformed for a straight 3m high drop off that you had to jump down by the end of all the ECLs around August. The beach has remained under threat since that time, with additional erosion occurring during subsequent storms. The problem is one of vertical fiscal imbalance. Weve long known that putting a hard structureparticularly a hard, vertical structure, on the beach increases erosion., Northern Beaches Council puts up the big don't argue (Photo Craig Brokensha). It never went to a vote of councillors, where it would have been likely voted down . They must only exist on a dense (and expensive) schedule of maintenance, no doubt. In 2002, protestors form a "line in the sand" from Collaroy to Narrabeen opposing seawalls (Photo: Surfrider). Embed Forecast. Hence, they are of no market value to me. A sneaky second application, for the vertical wall was seen by very few. the hardest decisions should be the easiest. Ignorant clown. https://files.northernbeaches.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/collaroy-na Collaroy Stormwater Pipe Outlet Picture: Nearmap A subsequent image of Collaroy Beach from June 8, 2016. It's going to be interesting to see how it holds up after this weekend/early next week with another round of resonably solid E/NE cyclone swell hitswho's going down to take more photos and show the aftermath?!! >>How can you say there is no evidence unless you have the facts to prove it? A seven-metre high wall erected to protect beachside mansions from being washed away has sparked debate among locals in a wealthy Sydney suburb. My working assumption is that they have behaved unethically on this matter. The DA for the Collaroy seawall was approved while the Northern Beaches Council was under administration. Insurance companies know this. They may have a wall, but there will be no beach in front of it. Agree 100%. Sure if youve bought the last 5 years ignorance cant be an excuse, but theres nothing wrong with wanting to live on the beach. The second DA is now here. The root cause is building on the foredune. I can't believe that those structures have been built in 2021 and that the legislation still hasn't been amended to counter the property rights of the owners. Absolutely spot on, Craig. Nobody there is in a position to offer 2-3 times market value. we all end up paying for it directly if we haven't already e.g. The question is why did the owners go for such an unattractive solution that by all appearances seems to have blocked their beach access. When a hard structure is introduced to the equation we see an increase in reflective energy andturbulence, slowing the accretion of sandwhile also acceleratingerosion in storm conditions. Japan may be a perfect case study. Their email is: [emailprotected]. However the short period easterly swells go straight into all parts of the surfcoast digging it up and turn almost every beach with low swell energy into an ugly mess. Spot on. I guess that makes offshore options quite limited, So I'm a little confused as to why there are hardly any real solutions put forward to deal with coastal erosion in 2021, despite our huge body of scientific knowledge regarding the issue. Ha! Might chat about it at some point Craig Brokensha, and anyone with deeper connections or insights, feel free to pass me their contacts and we can compare notes and research and discussion points. Construction costs are 80% homeowner funded. Rad demo john interesting as Craig said to see the changes in shock waves returning seaward. Last Model Run: 15 Jan 11:00AM Local time (AEDT) 15 Jan 12:00AM GMT Data Status: OK. Run Age 9hrs. However, the bean counters and quantity surveyors were extremely difficult for obvious reasons. The facts stand as such, an Engineer/s designed this monstrosity and no amount of excuses can change that. oh yeah and someone call security. Thanks so much zen! I like the cut of your pedantic job, there Lilas. https://nationalprecast.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Collaroy-Beach 2020 Surfer keelhauled by Collaroy Stormwater Pipe {RIP} Anyone who has been to Chiba in Kanto will have seen the Tetrapod formed surf breaks there. Yep totally agree. This sets a very dangerous precedent for the rest of NSW. https://eservices.northernbeaches.nsw.gov.au/ePlanning/live/Public/XC.Tr First red light! brutus Collaroy was not a typical situation. As you know we have the Great Ocean Road down here , which was a huge Tourist attraction ( before Covid.) If they fall into the sea so be it. In 1974I witnessed what cyclonic ocean power can do to ignorantly planned beach development 50 years on and a lot of sea miles under my belt. Rather than a natural ebb and flow of wave energy, a hard structure increases reflective energy and turbulence, making it difficult for sand to settle and accrete. Hear, hear! In a 2007 story for the Sydney Morning Herald, both Rob Stokes and a spokesperson for Warringah Council admit buyback isnt feasible and that other means of defence would be necessary, such as dune reconstruction, revegetation, and sand nourishment. Super difficult problem, maybe councils could buy beachfronts then lease back the properties. She had reigned as Queen for 70 years. The exception of course is if youre a donor to the LNP then a $3M block of land can be sold for $30M!!! Yes, blowie, I've yet to see anyone our age advocating for a soft solution. besides Id rather just shout at my computer. Records show the DA for the Collaroy Seawall had been lodged 18 months earlier in July 2018. The council had an interest in preventing future erosion impacting Pittwater Rd, the main north-south artery on the NB. These walls stick straight up into the air like a fence made of steel or concrete. Its like something out of a dystopian movie. I'm invested now, and want to know the latest. Drone footage over Collaroyafter the June 2016 'Black Nor'easter swell' (Photo: UNSW Water Research Laboratory). The Palm Beach artificial reef is now completed. The Collaroy wall is not subtle. " Willi, how would easterlies impact the Great Ocean Road coast? They have just set a precedent for the whole east coast of poor me multi millionaire landowners to set up squeaky wheel collectives. I've looked at the general location plan of the cables and it seems there is a good say 500m- 1000m distance between groups of them along the beach, and they are buried for the first 500m out from the shore, so I would say there is a good chance of working within those areas in consultation with the cable authorities. Photograph: Northern Beaches Council Library Local Studies. >> and the ocean will wash it all away again in the next big swell. 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